The great debate
Georgia, led by then-publicity director Dan Magill, right, does not count
the losses in '43 and '44. Georgia Tech won 44-0 in 1944.
By Adam Van Brimmer | | Story updated at 12:50 AM on Sunday,
November 27, 2005
For Georgia Tech, today's meeting with rival Georgia is the 100th in the series.
For Georgia, it's No. 98. Thanks to ex-publicity director Dan Magill, Georgia
does not count the 1943 and 1944 games ‹ losses by a combined 92-0
Two taps of the same typewriter key warped the history of a great college football
rivalry. Fifty-six years ago, Georgia's publicity director typed asterisks in
the school's brochure beside 48-0 and 44-0 losses to Georgia Tech in 1943 and
1944, respectively.
Those marks erased those games forever, at least in the Bulldogs' eyes.
"The reason was the fact that those were not true Georgia Tech teams,"
said Dan Magill, the man behind the typewriter.
World War II was under way, and both teams lost men to the military. But Tech
had an advantage: a naval officers training program that drew talented players
from other colleges to the Atlanta school.
Those asterisks hang over the long series between the Bulldogs and the Yellow
Jackets.
For Georgia Tech, today is the 100th meeting.
For Georgia, it's No. 98.
The debate over the discrepancy has raged quietly for more than a half-century.
The unfairness of war
Imperial Japan pulled the United States into World War II. The Japanese bombed
Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, and by the summer of 1943, the military draft
extended onto college campuses.
Nearly every young American male healthy enough to pass a physical had joined
the fights in Europe and the Pacific.
That left pimply-faced freshmen and "4Fs" - those who failed the
military physical - to fill the rosters of most college football teams.
Not at Georgia Tech.
The school was one of a handful across the country designated as a training
center for military officers. It received the Navy's V-12 program - and with
it several fine football players from other schools.
Magill insists those '43 and '44 rosters included football captains from Alabama
and Vanderbilt.
School history books don't support his claim, but Tech did get Vanderbilt star
John Steber and Alabama-bound players Phil Tinsley and Bill Chambers because
of the V-12 program.
The Yellow Jackets' roster also featured Mal Stamper, who played at Michigan.
Stamper suffered injuries before both the 1943 and 1944 seasons and didn't start.
"If you had the Navy V-12, you got a lot of boys," Bobby Dodd, then
an assistant coach under William Alexander, told his biographer for the book
"Dodd's Luck."
"They sent them in from other schools. We got some good boys from Alabama
and some from Clemson," Dodd continued. "And we had good football
teams, those of us who had the Navy V-12."
The military wasn't feeding the Bulldogs the same way. Georgia wasn't among
the officer training schools.
George Mathews, a freshman on Georgia Tech's 1944 team, recalls a conversation
with Georgia's Wally Butts when the coach was recruiting him out of high school.
"He told me I had to play with 17- and 18-year-olds and 4Fs," said
Mathews, now 79 and an Atlanta resident. "That's all they had."
Even with a dearth of talent, Georgia posted records of 6-4 in '43 and 7-3
in '44. But the Bulldogs weren't the power they could have been if Frank Sinkwich,
Charlie Trippi and the other returning members from the 1942 national championship
team had not joined the military.
Talent advantage exaggerated
That 1942 Georgia team denied Tech a perfect season and a Rose Bowl bid with
a 34-0 victory. The Yellow Jackets played the game without injured star Clint
Castleberry as well as coach Alexander, who suffered a heart attack earlier
that week.
The running joke among surviving Yellow Jackets players from the '43 and '44
teams is since Georgia doesn't count those two wins, Georgia Tech shouldn't
count the '42 loss on account of Castleberry and Alexander's absences.
"I would not say we didn't have a material advantage in players, and I
don't blame Georgia for claiming foul and trying to take it out of record books,"
Mathews said. "But at other times, Georgia had better material and beat
the heck out of Tech. So I don't think it's fair for Georgia to want to take
that out of the record books."
One of Mathews' teammates said Georgia Tech's talent advantage in '43 and '44
is exaggerated.
The Jackets started three freshmen in 1944, including Mathews, and several
others saw significant playing time.
Bob Davis, a tackle, was among the youngsters.
"I was 17-years-old and a freshman and I played most of the Georgia game,
so I don't think we were an Army-Navy team like Georgia claims," said Davis,
who now lives in Gastonia, N.C. "We did have some V-12s, but we lost some
midway through the season."
Stars Frank Broyles, Eddie Prokop and Mathews were not V-12s from other schools.
Broyles, who later became a coaching legend at Arkansas, quarterbacked Tech
to both victories. He threw for 343 yards and three touchdowns and rushed for
two more scores in the 1944 game.
Prokop and Mathews starred in the '43 and '44 games, respectively.
"It's been a mean rivalry at times, and this is just one example,"
Davis said. "Trippi came back in '45, and they beat us. They beat us again
the next year."
And, as Davis pointed out, both those games counted.
Debate rages on
Claude Felton and Allison George answer questions about the discrepancy in
the series record before every Georgia-Georgia Tech game.
"It always comes up with the TV network folks," said Felton, who
succeeded Magill as the Bulldogs' sports information director in 1979. "It's
kind of puzzling to them. I've become pretty good at explaining it over the
years."
So has George, Felton's counterpart at Georgia Tech. The two have never talked
about resolving the discrepancy, though. Felton is still close with Magill,
who has an office on campus.
"And from my perspective, those games have been on our books for a long
time," George said. "Who am I to change it?"
Felton points out the Georgia-Georgia Tech series record isn't the only disputed
mark in either schools' records.
Florida claims one fewer loss to both Georgia and Georgia Tech.
Florida doesn't acknowledge games played in 1904, when the school was located
in Ocala before moving to Gainesville two years later.
"That's where Florida was back then. We can't help it if they got run
out of Ocala," Magill said.
Magill isn't quite so glib when it comes to the Georgia-Georgia Tech series.
He acknowledges the decision to change the record was his idea. Butts, nor anyone
else at Georgia, pushed for the asterisks.
And he stands behind his two marks - vehemently - to this day.
"There's no question about it, there's no way they are true Georgia-Georgia
Tech games," Magill said. "There's no question about that. We had
a freshman team.
"We still carry the scores, we just have the asterisks to explain the
facts."
Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 11/26/05
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